Is It *Really* Impossible To Get A Gun License in NYC? (Part XV — Returning to the Court of Appeals)

This is the fifteenth installment of a series documenting an ordinary New Yorker attempting to exercise his Second Amendment rights: Part I (license application), Part II (application rejected), Part III (the lawsuit), Part IV (appeal filed), Part V (appellate briefing complete), Part VI (N.Y. Appeals Court Not Interested in Ending NYPD Corruption), Part VII (Corruption? You Can’t Prove It!), Part VIII (appeal to N.Y. high court), Part IX (N.Y. Court of Appeals won’t hear), Part X (Federal Lawsuit Filed), Part XI (Federal Court Refuses Challenge), Part XII (U.S. Court of Appeals), Part XIII (No Help from Second Circuit), Part XIV (Supreme Court Strikes Down Proper Cause). 

Total Time Spent So Far: 142 hours
Total Money Spent So Far: $4,102

It’s been more than a year since the U.S. Supreme Court struck down New York’s corrupt “proper cause” requirement, wherein only those whom the licensing officers deemed had a “good reason” to exercise their constitutional right to bear arms were permitted to do so. In anticipation of the ruling, I filed a new application a couple months before the ruling, so in theory, I should have my license by now, right?

Of course not.

In the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision, N.Y. Gov. Kathy Hochul crammed through legislation called the Concealed Carry Improvement Act. In addition to futility, such as declaring Times Square to be a gun-free zone (seems criminals didn’t get the memo), CCIA was designed to make it as difficult as possible to obtain a license. To that effect, it contains three particularly unconstitutional requirements: 1) mandatory disclosure of all social media accounts used in the last three years, 2) four letters of recommendation from others, and 3) 18 hours of training.

The social media requirement is particularly odious: it stands no chance of helping to keep guns from dangerous people, because dangerous people will simply not disclose the social media accounts they use to express their dangerous views. Sure, a licensing officer might find that account anyway, but that was already possible without CCIA. On the flip side, now if you have an OnlyFans, you’re required to let the police look at your body before you can exercise your rights, just as those who may anonymously use social media to discuss medical issues, their sexual orientation, or their fetish preferences must bare themselves to the police department.

The other two requirements fare no better: reference letters require outing one’s self as a (future) gun owner in a city where doing so is, in many scenes, socially unpopular, and re-introduces the same sort of “approval of others to use your rights” requirement the Supreme Court just struck down. And the training requirement serves no purpose other than to discourage applicants: it is the longest training regimen of any state, and there simply is not 18 hours worth of conversation to be had about responsible gun ownership — explaining when deadly force is legal, safe gun storage, and the like simply does not require more than a few hours. I support reasonable pre-licensure training to ensure that everyone who owns a gun understands their responsibilities, but that’s clearly not the intent or effect here.

So, I challenged these three requirements in U.S. District Court last July, and U.S. District Judge Lorna Schofield denied my request to enjoin all three of them. As to the first two, the state argued that they would not apply them to those who applied before CCIA took effect, and therefore I had no standing. Of course, I would be required to follow those requirements on license renewal, but that happening, she ruled, was too far away. That said, at least I have a commitment that my application will be processed without these requirements… for now.

As to the training requirement, the standard set by the Supreme Court for when a gun restriction is lawful is that there must be a tradition of similar laws at the time the Second Amendment was written; a so-called “historical analog.” Obviously, gun licenses didn’t exist at the time, and so the state argued that since militia membership was required, and militia membership required gun training, that this is “analogous” to CCIA’s training requirement.

I’ve appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, explaining why this is nonsense:

“First, as the government concedes, mandatory militia membership requirements applied only to 1) able-bodied, 2) male, 3) citizens of the state, 4) within a certain age range. … People who were disabled or otherwise not physically able to serve in the militia were not prohibited from carrying concealed weapons or required to partake in supplemental training. Neither were women, nor were those outside of the 30-year age range where service was expected, nor were those who lived in a state without being a citizen thereof. These “exceptions” entirely swallow the analogy, as more than half the population is female and a substantial percentage of the remaining male population would have been physically unfit to serve, a non-citizen, or of an excluded age.”

Beyond that, militia gun training serves the opposite purpose — teaching how to kill people with guns rather than educating to prevent gun deaths — and was entirely unconnected to gun ownership (that is, failure to participate in the militia did not result in disenfranchisement of gun rights). It is simply not an analogous restriction on gun rights.

My appeal is now fully briefed and likely to be scheduled for oral arguments in the fall. In the meantime, the NYPD is slow-walking all license applications, and mine has not even been scheduled for an interview by this time, now 15 months later. Although the tide is turning, at this time, it is still impossible to get a gun license in New York City.

Corbett v. Hochul – Appellant’s Brief (.pdf)

Corbett v. Hochul – Appellee’s Brief (NYC) (.pdf)
Corbett v. Hochul – Appellee’s Brief (NYS) (.pdf)

Corbett v. Hochul – Reply Brief (.pdf)

Is It *Really* Impossible To Get A Gun License in NYC? (Part XIII — No Help from Second Circuit)

This is the thirteenth installment of a series documenting an ordinary New Yorker attempting to exercise his Second Amendment rights: Part I (license application), Part II (application rejected), Part III (the lawsuit), Part IV (appeal filed), Part V (appellate briefing complete), Part VI (N.Y. Appeals Court Not Interested in Ending NYPD Corruption), Part VII (Corruption? You Can’t Prove It!), Part VIII (appeal to N.Y. high court), Part IX (N.Y. Court of Appeals won’t hear), Part X (Federal Lawsuit Filed), Part XI (Federal Court Refuses Challenge), Part XII (U.S. Court of Appeals). 

Total Time Spent So Far: 79 hours
Total Money Spent So Far: $2,296

In July last year, I filed a notice of appeal of the U.S. District Court’s decision that New York City’s gun licensing scheme was constitutionally sound.  Federal court appeals are heard by the appellant filing a brief, the appellee filing an opposing brief, and the appellant gets an opportunity to file a reply brief.  Often, but not always, oral arguments are heard, wherein the parties get a short period of time (typically, 5 – 15 minutes each) to persuade the judges hearing the case and to answer their questions.

Oral arguments were ordered in this case and heard on June 3rd, 2020.  Getting the Second Circuit to overturn longstanding precedent regarding New York gun laws was always a long shot, so I prepared for a somewhat hostile reception.  The judges randomly assigned, however, were two Trump appointees and 1 Bush 43 appointee — a favorable selection for a gun rights case.  Because of coronavirus, the arguments were telephonic, and a recording is available from the court (.mp3).

Alas, despite the favorable panel selection, the judges apparently had made up their mind before hearing arguments, as they put out a  5-page opinion the next day (.pdf) affirming the judgment of the court below.  The judges did not reach the merits of the case (the constitutional issue).  Instead, they agreed with the city that because of the way I presented my case in state court, I could not challenge again in federal court.

Let me try to explain.  Some cases can be heard in both state and federal court — gun issues are one of them.  However, if your case is heard in state court, it generally can only be heard in federal court if the state court doesn’t provide the same type of remedy (in the legal world, we describe this issue using the Latin phrase “res judicata“).  Gun license challenges in New York courts (called “Article 78” proceedings) typically only come with the remedy of ordering the issuance of the license or a new administrative hearing, while in federal court I can ask for money for the infringement of my rights.  So, I should have been good.  The problem is that when I asked for the review of my gun license issue in state court, I also asked them to review their refusal to provide me with records I requested. The federal court held that this type of case allows for money damages also. In other words, if I had filed 2 separate cases — one challenging the gun license denial and the other challenging the records refusal — my case could be re-reviewed in federal court, but since I did both at once, no dice.

As far as I can tell, this is the first case in which such a distinction has been made, and in my opinion creates an unjust result: there should be no penalty for saving the courts time by asking them to hear two matters at once.  Needless to say, it leaves my court battle over my 2015 gun license application dead, as although I can appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, it is highly unlikely that they have interest in hearing such a case.

But, the fight is not over.  Stay tuned for Part XIV over the next month or two, in which we explore the contours of New York’s “proper cause” requirement. 🙂

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